The Gut-Brain Connection

The gut-brain connection has gotten the attention of researchers and functional medical practitioners. I discuss, briefly, what research has shown us in regards to the complex realm of the microbiome and how depression may be a result of inflammation in the brain, stemming from inflammation in the gut.

My name is Dr. Talia Marcheggiani and I am a naturopathic doctor and mental health expert in Toronto.

Today we’re going to talk about the gut-brain connection and how that can influence your mental health symptoms.

I think we intuitively know that the gut and brain are connected. When you feel mental symptoms of anxiety we immediately notice the effects on our gut.

During times of stress, we know that we have indigestion, we’re more predisposed to things like diarrhea and irritable bowel syndrome.

Even anatomically there’s a nerve, called the Vagus nerve, that directly connects the brain to our digestive system.

This nerve is responsible for putting into that “rest and digest” state.

When this nerve is stimulated, our bodies start to secrete digestive enzymes, saliva starts to be secreted and we’re able to break down our food and absorb the nutrients from the food that we’re eating.

A lot of research has been going on, that you might be aware of, about healthy gut bacteria. And more and more people, especially medical doctors, happily, are prescribing probiotics anytime someone is prescribed antibiotics for a bacterial infection.

Scientists have started to study more about these gut bacteria. We know we have, like, 5 lbs of gut bacteria, sitting in our digestive systems. Over 100 trillion cells, this is more than 10x the amount of cells we have in our physical bodies, and more DNA than we have in our body.

We’re more bacteria than we are human!

And these gut bacteria, we can’t survive without without them, they influence the very physiology we experience and they definitely impact our health.

These bacteria are responsible for helping us digest our food, and for our mental and emotional wellness as well as keeping our immune system in check.

So, a disbalance in bacteria, or an increase in that negative, bad bacteria and not good strains of healthy bacteria, can lead to diseases like autoimmune disease or multiple sclerosis, or things like chronic fatigue syndrome as we’re seeing in research.

Scientists are starting to study more about how the bacterial balance in our gut can influence our mood and mental health.

These gut bacteria can actually produce serotonin. So that’s the happy hormone in the brain. And you may have heard of serotonin, especially if you suffer from depression or anxiety because your doctor might have recommended a kind of medication called SSRIs, or Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, or a similar drug, SNRIs, like Venlafaxine, which is a Selective Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake inhibitors.

This is based on on the Monoamine Hypothesis that there is this chemical imbalance in the brain. That your body is either not making enough, or absorbing enough or reacting to serotonin enough.

When we’re given these antidepressants, the idea is that we’re recorrecting this brain imbalance and that’s as much of the story as we’ve got. We don’t know why these brain imbalances are around.

So I think that, if we’re going to stick with this hypothesis, which is still controversial in science, we should look to the gut bacteria because we know that gut bacteria produces a significant amount of serotonin and, if we’re blaming depression and anxiety on serotonin deficiencies, why not look at the gut and find out how we can influence the balance of healthy gut bacteria so that we’re producing enough serotonin. Especially if we’re relying on drugs to correct the imbalance and we don’t have enough serotonin for the drugs to work properly.

Gut cells on their own produce 95% of the serotonin in the body so basically every single chemical that we have in our brain is produced or exists in the gut.

So, we need to be able to feed the gut cells so that they’re producing healthy amount of hormone we need to experience a healthy mood and live our lives in ways that are stress-free and energized and happy so that we can effective in our lives.

Mentally and emotionally, you might know this “gut feeling” that we talk about in language and that’s kind of permeated throughout cultures. So, we know that when we have this feeling in the gut that, it’s almost like an intuition. Some people will say, “I just knew it, because I felt it in my gut.” And I think that we’ve always had this intuition. We’ve always had this connection between what our mental state, our thoughts, beliefs and emotions are telling us and what our gut is telling us.

We think that we think with our brains and that all of the mental symptoms we experience are happening at the level of the brain, but because of this tight gut-brain connection, we know that’s not true.

People that have done brain studies actually find that we have thoughts before we have brain activity a lot of the time so, I wonder if we’re actually thinking with our gut, which is a revolutionary and radical thought, but we’re finding more and more evidence for this in science.

You may have heard of the condition called “Leaky Gut” or the more official, scientific term is “Intestinal Permeability”. Our gut is really selective about what it absorbs for good reason. What happens, though, when we’re experiencing chronic stress, or we use a lot of antibiotics or maybe eat things like high-sugar foods, caffeine, or a lot of alcohol, we can cause gut inflammation, which starts to allow bacteria, food toxins, or whole proteins from food into the blood, into the body by breaking down the integrity of the gut.

So, when it comes to health, for most health conditions, especially when there’s a few symptoms that seem disconnected and it’s hard to find the relationship between them, naturopathic medicine and, now, functional medicine and, hopefully soon, conventional medicine, begins to look at gut health.

So if I’m sitting across from a patient who has a long list of health symptoms that seems like they’re not connected and has digestive symptoms—and 40-60% of the population, in general has some kind of digestive symptom, whether it be bloating after eating, feeling fatigued after eating, just feeling like your food is sitting in your stomach and not really moving through, GERD, so acid reflux, heartburn, diarrhea and constipation, or those IBS symptoms, gas and bloating—when I sit across from a patient with any of those symptoms, the first place we go, in terms of treatment, is to look at the gut.

So how do you keep your gut healthy? There’s a few things. The first is to eliminate anything that’s causing gut inflammation, so this could be excessive caffeine and alcohol, excessive refined sugars, antibiotics without doing a probiotic immediately after or during an antibiotic treatment, chronic mental and emotional stress, or physical stress, and food sensitivities: something we’re eating that’s causing our immune system to react and our gut to become inflamed.

Ensuring a proper bacterial balance by either supplementing with a probiotic or eating a variety of fermented foods such as kefir, yogurt, kombucha or saurkraut, and making sure that we’re eating a variety of whole foods: whole grains, fruits and vegetables, and healthy fibres that are going to feed that healthy gut bacteria.

So, when it comes to mental health, such as depression and anxiety, chronic mental stress, even things like bipolar, OCD, conventional medicine tends to just look at the brain and blame the brain on the host of symptoms that patients might experience.

Naturopathic medicine looks at the entire body. And since we know that the gut and brain are connected, and our patients are simultaneously experiencing mental health symptoms and digestive symptoms, we definitely have to treat the gut.

For more information, you can visit my website at taliand.com, or send me an email at connect@taliand.com.

I work at Bloor West Wellness Clinic in Bloor West Village, in Toronto.

The Stress-Depression Connection

When our minds are stressed, how do our bodies react? We experience something called “adrenal fatigue” that can closely mimic the symptoms of depression.

Hi, naturopathic doctor, Talia Marcheggiani, here. I’m a mental health expert and I’m at Bloor West Wellness Clinic and today we’re going to talk about the Stress-Depression Connection.

Most of us are stressed in North America. There’s a major stress epidemic. We know that anywhere from 70-90% of doctors’ visits are directly or indirectly attributed to stress and the symptoms that it causes in the body.

Most people are stressed, I think the estimate is 70% to 90% of North American women are experiencing some kind of chronic stress. Many are unaware of it and very few are doing anything about it or actively managing their stress through methods of self-care, relaxation techniques, and other therapies to lower the cortisol, or the stress hormones, that are producing that chronic stress in the body.

So, physiologically, when we get stressed, so, let’s say, you know, you’re in the paleolithic times, you’re walking through the forest and you encounter a giant bear running towards you. Our bodies would immediately start secreting epinephrine, or adrenaline, which is the first stress hormone. This is released from the adrenal glands, these pyramid-shaped endocrine or hormone glands, located on top of both of our kidneys. Epinephrine, or adrenaline, many of us have felt the effects of before, this makes our heart race, we start sweating, we start to, you know, you might feel like you have to go to the washroom, you might notice digestive effects. What will happen is, our blood vessels will dilate, our pupils will dilate, so that we can’t see fine detail but we can see movement much more easily so we can see the subtle movements of the bear lunging towards us and our body is primed for fight, flight or freezing so that we can get away from this immediate stressor, this threat to our safety and survival.

And really incredible things can happen when we’re in this hyper-arousal state, this sympathetic nervous system state.

A friend of mine was walking in Greece and she fell off a side walk, the side walk just ended, and in the fall, she fell off like cliff, and one of her arms broke so, she managed, in this superhuman ability, that all of a sudden she had, through the adrenaline that was coursing through her body to deal with this stress and surprise, she with the hand that wasn’t broken, grabbed the edge of the sidewalk and pulled herself to safety. And this was a woman, my friend, that can’t even do one pull-up she can’t do pushups, she doesn’t have the arm strength to, in a calm and not hyper-aroused state, perform that kind of physical act.

So, epinephrine and the stress response is amazingly powerful. This stress response can save our lives if called into action for the right reasons and at the right time.

However what’s going on in North America now, is that, especially in this modern society that we live in, with technology and all of the stressors that we’re encountering on a day-to-day basis and the pressures we put on ourselves, we’re in the hyper-arousal state far more often than normal.

Back when we were chased by bears and we had to respond physiologically to that stressor, we would have just, as soon as we reached safety or finished fighting the bear, or froze, played dead, so the bear would walk away, we would have returned back to a state of relaxation. I mean, our hearts would have continued to pound as we kind of got over that stressor, but eventually we would have returned to our rest and digest state, our parasympathetic state.

Back in those days we used to work an estimated 15 hours a week hunting, gathering food, um, in our paleolithic time, in our hunter-gatherer times, which is what our genes have evolved to succeed in—our genes haven’t evolved to catch up with the rapid change in the environment that we’ve created for ourselves and so we’re not used to working 40 to 80-hour work weeks and racing home, through traffic, to pick up the kids and do after school activities and finish up late assignments, getting to get after 12 pm and getting up at 6 am to do a workout so we can lose weight and all of the things that are filling our lives and causing us stress.

The issue with many of the women that I work with, many of the people that I work with, is that we don’t really notice that we’re under stress, like a lot of people will say that they don’t feel stressed and then the signs and symptoms that they’re bodies are exhibiting point me in a direction of some kind of stress response.

So, I described what adrenaline/epinephrine do. But our body doesn’t have a very big reserve of adrenaline and epinephrine, so when we’re in that fight or flight response for prolonged periods of time, the adrenal glands, those pyramid-shaped glands on top of the kidneys, they start to secrete another hormone, called cortisol.

Cortisol has some similar effects, but it’s better for prolonged periods of stress. Cortisol kind of makes us feel alert, it gives us this grounded energy so we can be effective when we have these daily things thrown at us. So, when we wake up in the morning, we feel kind of groggy and then we start to feel alert, maybe we have a quick workout or cold shower or we eat something, we start to feel like we’re becoming alive, we’re greeting the day. That’s cortisol starting to build up in our bodies and prepare us for the things that we have to do, for the mental tasks, or the physical tasks, or the juggling of all the tasks that we have coming up for us in that day.

Cortisol is a good thing. We want to have cortisol because without it, we can’t perform, we can’t be who we need to be. And we can’t bring ourselves into the world and do the things that we’re supposed to do that day.

The problem is, of course, and I’ve already mentioned this, is when stress is prolonged and when stress is taking over more than 50% of our day and our bodies are in that fight or flight state for more time than they’re in the rest and digest state.

Some of the effects of being in this state and, as I mentioned, a fair amount of us are this state most of the time, or have to be. Some of the effects are high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart diseases, even some cancers, suppressed immunity, things like skin issues, hormonal imbalances, such as infertility, or PCOS or endometriosis, changes in eyesight, changes in hearing, hair loss, acne, impotence, and various other symptoms. And, of course, depression and mental illness.

One of the effects of cortisol is that it can lower serotonin, which is the feel-good, the happy neurotransmitters that our brain secretes and dopamine, another neurotransmitter that promotes feelings of well-bring and happy mood and also helps with that motivation and reward cycle.

Cortisol also controls inflammation and, when we have too much of it, it suppresses inflammation, but once we start to become deficient in cortisol, inflammation can increase and when our body’s relying on cortisol all the time, the balance of cortisol can get thrown off and we can have highs and lows of cortisol in the body.

We know that there is an implication in inflammation and mood, so cortisol is often at the root of excess inflammation or inflammatory symptoms.

There’s also a condition that’s not really recognized in conventional medicine, but naturopathic doctors recognize, as well as functional doctors. So functional doctors and naturopathic doctors, we don’t really work with diseases that you come in with, I mean we work with those too, but where we really excel is when we’re looking at the patterns and the symptoms and the blood work showing disease processes before they actually become diseases. And I think depression and most mental health conditions fall in that area because we know that there’s no blood tests for things like depression. Direct blood tests, I mean. There’s no real diagnostic criteria beyond the subjective criteria that’s in the DSM V. So, when somebody’s depressed, we have to rely on a variety of symptoms and then I can order some blood tests to rule out why someone might be feeling that, but it’s not a disease like diabetes where you run lab tests and you can infer from those lab tests directly what’s going on in the person’s blood and in their body and in their cells. And, of course, the result or the solution for depression is much different than diabetes, especially type I diabetes where it’s an insulin deficiency, you inject insulin and the disease is managed.

With things like depression, we have to reason backwards and try and understand what might have led to those symptoms or what’s going on in the person’s body that’s causing this imbalance that’s causing the symptoms to arise.

So, back to adrenal fatigue. So, when patients come in, and they’re experiencing prolonged stress that begin with something called the resistance phase. So this is when you’re feeling like life is busy you have a lot on your plate, but it almost, you almost thrive in this situation. It feels kind of good. You feel like you’re in control, you feel motivated and you feel like you’re getting things done. You might be tired at the end of the day, you might not be sleeping as well as you could. And you’re definitely not feeling zen. You’re not feeling relaxed and like a Buddhist monk most of the time. You’re feeling that there’s pressure on you, but you’re coping. Things are ok. This is called the Resistance Phase. And this means that your body is producing enough cortisol to deal with the daily tasks at hand.

After months to years of this, however, if this prolonged and we’re not taking enough breaks to allow our bodies to replenish, we can experience something called Adrenal Fatigue. This is when our body’s not able to produce the cortisol needed to cover those daily tasks. So remember how I said that cortisol kind of makes us feel alert and alive and ready to deal with the day ahead of us. In Adrenal Fatigue we’re not able to activate that stress response when we need it because we’ve had it turned on all the time. It’s almost like the gas tank’s empty and we’re kind of sputtering to get it going again. We’re trying to get our car to run on the fumes that are leftover. And, we might call this Burnout, this is another word for it, is burnout.

And so, in adrenal fatigue, and this is a really common situation that often leads to depression and also often has symptoms that actually mirror or overlap with depression. In adrenal fatigue, first of all, the main symptom is just feeling tired, fatigued. There are sleep disturbances. We feel weak, we feel unmotivated, and one of the key symptoms is that we’re not relieved by exercise.

So a lot of my patients will tell me, “I want to exercise, I know I should exercise but I just don’t have the energy to exercise.” And I’ll ask them, “do you feel like you are able to push yourself to do some exercise, like go for a brisk 30-minute walk or even, you know, a quick jog. How do you feel afterwards?” And if they tell me they feel like it depletes them more, this is often a sign that they’re in that burnout phase, they’re in adrenal fatigue.

Because when you’re in a resistance phase, exercise can kind of boost your cortisol a little bit, so if you’re still able to make it, it feels pretty good because it kind of revives you and it perks you back up. But if you’re in an adrenal fatigue situation, you just don’t have the cortisol reserves to get through that exercise, to get through that workout and to feel good afterwards. So that’s one of the symptoms.

How cortisol is supposed to work in a healthy person that has adrenal glands that aren’t depleted, is when you wake up in the morning, your cortisol begins and it’s high. And that’s why you test blood and salivary cortisol in the morning as soon as you get up. So that means you wake up and you feel like you’ve slept pretty well and you’re ready to start the day, you feel alert. You’re not groggy, you don’t wish that you could just stay in bed for the rest of the day.

Throughout the day your cortisol will gradually decline. It might have a few dips and usually perks up with eating or exercise. So if you have a protein-rich, or carbohydrate-rich meal, your cortisol can come back up and that’s around meal-times you’ll feel a little bit more alert. And your cortisol will decline until bedtime when you feel tired and you feel ready to go to sleep and it will stay low throughout the night so you won’t be waking up at night. You’ll feel rested and if you have one of those sleep trackers or a Fitbit, it will show you that you have restful sleep and that you spend a lot of your time in REM sleep or deep wave sleep. And then the cycle starts again, you wake up, your cortisol starts to peak and gets higher again.

When our cortisol cycle is off. When we’re in adrenal fatigue or even the end stages of stress resistance, which proceeds that burnout adrenal fatigue stage and often proceeds depression. The resistance phase is more associated with anxiety, burnout is more associated with depression.

When we’re in that burnout phase, we’re not able to get the cortisol up in the morning so you wake up feeling exhausted. You will often even have a crash, you might kind of get going and ready to go or you might just be used to having that level of energy, on a scale of 1 to 10, you might be anywhere from a 3 to a 7. Around 10 am, though, you’ll notice a dip in your energy, so a lot of people will have this kind of energy crash around 10 am and then they get a second wind, they can kind of go. A very typical thing that happens is around 3-4 pm, 2-4pm, after lunch, there’s a massive energy crash and we’re still at work, most of the time, those of us that work 9-5 and so you’re at work and you’re just feeling exhausted.

And then people kind of get a second wind and another thing that happens, which is not great, is that you get a second wind right before bedtime. When you’re supposed to be going to sleep, you feel this kind of “tired and wired”, like you’re not able to, you know, wind yourself down to get a restful night’s sleep. You feel like you need to be up and on your electronics and doing some work, catching up on some things that you need to get done.

And eventually you might go to bed and usually this happens close to midnight or after midnight, and then most people will have a cortisol spike in the middle of the night between 2 and 4 am where you wake up and are unable to fall back asleep. And thus the cycle begins again where you had a spike in the middle of the night, your sleep’s been broken, you’re tired again in the next morning.

So how do we get out of this cycle? Because, you know, depression has low mood, depression has low motivation, depression has changes in weight and metabolism and appetite and these feelings of sadness and adrenal fatigue and burnout have a lot of those same symptoms. There’s not motivation, you’re gaining weight in the abdomen, you’re immune system is thrown off, you’re feeling just this general malaise and muscle pain and exhaustion and sadness and low mood and low self-worth and all of these things that we see in depression.

So how do we solve this? So the first thing we do is, if possible, we try and manage stress, to establish self care routines and this is a process that we need to work towards, it doesn’t happen in one visit, in a day it takes a few months to a few years to rebuild and reestablish. We make sure that we’re living a balanced life and we’re managing our cortisol and we also might prescribe supplements and herbs to stimulate cortisol production and to help our bodies manage stress and to help our adrenal glands work more optimally. And this often has a dramatic shift in mood after a few months. I have personal experience with this myself and it’s amazing. In a few months you look back to where you were and you notice big shifts.

It’s also necessary to make sure that blood sugar is not spiking throughout the day because cortisol and blood sugar are tightly interconnected. If our blood sugar drops, our body needs to create cortisol to bring it back up and likewise, if our blood sugar is high, this is a stress on the body and it can affect the cortisol balance. If our blood sugar is nice and steady and we’re eating enough fats and proteins to keep our neurotransmitters and our hormones productive and in production in the body, we notice a more even mood and energy level and this is really important so I go over nutrition and how to plan meals, especially in the morning with a protein and fat-rich breakfast.

And, finally, things like bodywork and things like, if not psychotherapy, then things to help with the life stressors that are going on, directly addressing those things. Even helping with the body stress response, the body’s perceived response because a lot of the time we have stress stored in our thoughts and emotions in the head, which is what addressed usually with many forms of psychotherapy. But oftentimes we also store stress in the body and so I find that acupuncture can be really affective and there’s studies that show that acupuncture actually outperforms Prozac in some 6-week trials as well as acupuncture can also help the brain move into that parasympathetic rest and digest state.

So, from 4-6 sessions of acupuncture can really shift us into a more relaxed state and help us with that stress response that we often be stuck in.

So, for more information, visit my website. I’m at TaliaND.com, or you can send me an email at connect@taliand.com. I work at Bloor West Wellness in Toronto. And if you want, leave your questions or comments below and we’ll start the discussion. Thanks, bye! 🙂

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